Comments on: is Once Saved, Always Saved? http://blogogetics.com/2008/10/is-once-saved-always-saved/ Giving an apologia (defense) for the faith we have Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:43:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: TS http://blogogetics.com/2008/10/is-once-saved-always-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-6252 TS Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:55:28 +0000 http://blogogetics.com/?p=117#comment-6252 Search the scriptures You think you have eternal life they are the testimony of Jesus. If no danger exists there's no need for a sign. No need to warn anyone if there is harm. Man is a free will agent. One of Gods greatest gifts to man. Only God could create something like free will. Search the scriptures You think you have eternal life they are the testimony of Jesus. If no danger exists there’s no need for a sign.
No need to warn anyone if there is harm. Man is a free will agent.
One of Gods greatest gifts to man. Only God could create something like free will.

]]> By: Allan Svensson http://blogogetics.com/2008/10/is-once-saved-always-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-3623 Allan Svensson Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:11:20 +0000 http://blogogetics.com/?p=117#comment-3623 Hi. I found your Web Site by Google And I wish you the best you can get, the peace of God through Jesus Christ. Welcome to visit my Site. Allan Svensson, Sweden http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM Once saved - always saved? The doctrine of election, which William M. Branham preached, that the elected cannot fall away from the Lord, it can entice people into a false safety, which can be their fall. Branham's doctrine of the election does not agree with Ezekiel 33:12-19 or Rom. 11:17-22. If the elected ones cannot become lost, why then are there so many warnings in the Bible? Why did Jesus warn us about false teachers and false prophets, if it is impossible that the elected ones become lost? If it is no risk to lose our salvation, then we do not need to hold us awake or be careful against false teachers. Why then are Israel's sins and punishments under their wandering through the desert, written down as warnings for us? Why then did Paul write, "Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are coming. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he falls." 1 Cor. 10:1-12. A usual reason that Christians fall away from the Lord, is that they follow false doctrines, which lead away from the sincere faithfulness to the Lord. They believe more on preachers and priests than on the Bible. A remarkable phenomenon is, that the most resistance against revival comes from those Christians who have been praying for revival during many years. They have prayed for revival, but when the answer to prayers comes, then they become angry. They do not like to hear the truth of the Assembly of God, the Body of Christ. Instead to praise Jesus, they are irritated and afraid. Why? They are spiritually blinded of Satans false assembly doctrine. They do not have the knowledge of the Assembly of God. This truth has never been preached in the churches. Churches and denominations are Satan's tools to hold control over the Christians. The purpose of the churches is that with false doctrine defend churches and denominations, and to hold their members in religious slavery, and hinder them to understand God's word. In the time of the apostles any church did not exist, and therefore the word "church" does not occur in the Bible. Everywhere in your English Bible where you see the word "church" it is a grave translation error. It ought to be "assembly". As you can see in my Web site, I am no member in any church. In the year 1965 I left Babylon the great, and since then I have been outside of all churches and denominations, according to the command of the Lord. Rev. 18:4. This command of the Lord is the most powerful revival message we can find in the Bible. Yet, this truth of the Bible has not been preached among God's people, and therefore the Christians are entirely unprepared for Jesus' coming. Only few Christians have obeyed this command of the Lord to come out of the great Babylon. Just this is revival, that all God's people become free from all churches and denominations, the great Babylon. Many preachers are speaking that Jesus shall come, but they do nothing to prepare themselves. On my Homepage I have written very much about the Assembly of God and about churches and denominations. It is very urgent that all God's people get the knowledge of this. None be saved by works of the law, Gal. 2:16, and none be saved without works of faith. Matt. 7:21-23. Prepare you to meet Jesus! http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PREPARE.HTM Evil spirits in the churches http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/SPIRITS.HTM Why did the Pentecostal Revival take an end? http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM#end What does hinder the Antichrist to appear? What is the Restrainer? http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/MESSAGE.HTM#Antichrist Hi.
I found your Web Site by Google
And I wish you the best you can get,
the peace of God through Jesus Christ.

Welcome to visit my Site.
Allan Svensson, Sweden
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM

Once saved – always saved?
The doctrine of election, which William M. Branham preached,
that the elected cannot fall away from the Lord, it can entice
people into a false safety, which can be their fall. Branham’s
doctrine of the election does not agree with Ezekiel 33:12-19
or Rom. 11:17-22.

If the elected ones cannot become lost, why then are there so
many warnings in the Bible? Why did Jesus warn us about
false teachers and false prophets, if it is impossible that the
elected ones become lost?

If it is no risk to lose our salvation, then we do not need to
hold us awake or be careful against false teachers. Why then
are Israel’s sins and punishments under their wandering through
the desert, written down as warnings for us? Why then did Paul
write, “Now all these things happened unto them for examples:
and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of
the world are coming. Wherefore let him that thinketh he
standeth take heed lest he falls.” 1 Cor. 10:1-12.

A usual reason that Christians fall away from the Lord, is that
they follow false doctrines, which lead away from the sincere
faithfulness to the Lord. They believe more on preachers and
priests than on the Bible.

A remarkable phenomenon is, that the most resistance against
revival comes from those Christians who have been praying for
revival during many years. They have prayed for revival, but
when the answer to prayers comes, then they become angry.
They do not like to hear the truth of the Assembly of God, the
Body of Christ. Instead to praise Jesus, they are irritated and
afraid. Why? They are spiritually blinded of Satans false
assembly doctrine. They do not have the knowledge of the
Assembly of God. This truth has never been preached in the
churches.

Churches and denominations are Satan’s tools to hold control
over the Christians. The purpose of the churches is that with
false doctrine defend churches and denominations, and to hold
their members in religious slavery, and hinder them to
understand God’s word.

In the time of the apostles any church did not exist, and
therefore the word “church” does not occur in the Bible.
Everywhere in your English Bible where you see the word
“church” it is a grave translation error. It ought to be
“assembly”.

As you can see in my Web site, I am no member in any
church. In the year 1965 I left Babylon the great, and since
then I have been outside of all churches and denominations,
according to the command of the Lord. Rev. 18:4.

This command of the Lord is the most powerful revival
message we can find in the Bible. Yet, this truth of the Bible
has not been preached among God’s people, and therefore the
Christians are entirely unprepared for Jesus’ coming. Only
few Christians have obeyed this command of the Lord to
come out of the great Babylon.

Just this is revival, that all God’s people become free from
all churches and denominations, the great Babylon. Many
preachers are speaking that Jesus shall come, but they do
nothing to prepare themselves.

On my Homepage I have written very much about the
Assembly of God and about churches and denominations.
It is very urgent that all God’s people get the knowledge
of this.

None be saved by works of the law, Gal. 2:16,
and none be saved without works of faith. Matt. 7:21-23.

Prepare you to meet Jesus!
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PREPARE.HTM

Evil spirits in the churches
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/SPIRITS.HTM

Why did the Pentecostal Revival take an end?
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM#end

What does hinder the Antichrist to appear?
What is the Restrainer?
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/MESSAGE.HTM#Antichrist

]]> By: Once saved, always saved | archshrk http://blogogetics.com/2008/10/is-once-saved-always-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-947 Once saved, always saved | archshrk Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:03:28 +0000 http://blogogetics.com/?p=117#comment-947 [...] So, do you believe God can lose a Christian? Learn More [...] [...] So, do you believe God can lose a Christian? Learn More [...]

]]> By: archshrk http://blogogetics.com/2008/10/is-once-saved-always-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-353 archshrk Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:48:58 +0000 http://blogogetics.com/?p=117#comment-353 Well said. Its difficult for any of us to understand that we don't actually contribute to our salvation. We either see it as unfair (I worked harder at it than that guy) or we don't like the idea of being a puppet. But the truth of it is, we are always someone's puppet (figuratively) We either serve the Lord or we serve "our father the Devil" (John 8:42-46) This is the lie we have come to believe, that we have a <a href="http://archshrk.com/2007/02/free-will-song" rel="nofollow">free will</a>, but if its free, what is it free from? Well said. Its difficult for any of us to understand that we don’t actually contribute to our salvation. We either see it as unfair (I worked harder at it than that guy) or we don’t like the idea of being a puppet. But the truth of it is, we are always someone’s puppet (figuratively) We either serve the Lord or we serve “our father the Devil” (John 8:42-46)

This is the lie we have come to believe, that we have a free will, but if its free, what is it free from?

]]> By: cavman http://blogogetics.com/2008/10/is-once-saved-always-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-346 cavman Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:09:08 +0000 http://blogogetics.com/?p=117#comment-346 What confuses some people is the idea that just because a person professes faith means they are saved. We focus on a "decision". Regeneration will produce faith (Reformed Arminians- once saved always saved- reverse this), which will produce good works as fruit and evidence of regeneration & justification. Those truly saved, who are regenerate, will persevere. Those who aren't, won't. The parable of the sower helps us to see people make specious professions of faith. Can truly regenerate/converted people sin grievously or wander due to spiritual declension? Yes. Will they reject the faith? The Reformed Arminian position- espoused by Ryrie among others- isolates justification from the overall plan of God. Doctrines are connected, part of a whole. We distinguish them, but mustn't separate them lest we end up corrupting the truth. My 2 cents anyway. What confuses some people is the idea that just because a person professes faith means they are saved. We focus on a “decision”.
Regeneration will produce faith (Reformed Arminians- once saved always saved- reverse this), which will produce good works as fruit and evidence of regeneration & justification. Those truly saved, who are regenerate, will persevere. Those who aren’t, won’t. The parable of the sower helps us to see people make specious professions of faith.
Can truly regenerate/converted people sin grievously or wander due to spiritual declension? Yes. Will they reject the faith?
The Reformed Arminian position- espoused by Ryrie among others- isolates justification from the overall plan of God. Doctrines are connected, part of a whole. We distinguish them, but mustn’t separate them lest we end up corrupting the truth.
My 2 cents anyway.

]]> By: archshrk http://blogogetics.com/2008/10/is-once-saved-always-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-162 archshrk Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:33:27 +0000 http://blogogetics.com/?p=117#comment-162 In a recent conversation, I was trying to discuss "the preservation of the saints" but later realized the difficulty of explaining this was not in the idea of grace is a gift, but in the concept of "once saved, always saved" (a slightly different perspective). So if they fall away, can they come back? My thinking is that <i>if</i> they were/are saved - and they fall away, this is part of the sanctification process. As one person put it, "God loves a broken man". Sometimes, falling away is a step towards brokenness, isn't it? Of course, sometimes it's just false claims of belief. In a recent conversation, I was trying to discuss “the preservation of the saints” but later realized the difficulty of explaining this was not in the idea of grace is a gift, but in the concept of “once saved, always saved” (a slightly different perspective). So if they fall away, can they come back?

My thinking is that if they were/are saved – and they fall away, this is part of the sanctification process. As one person put it, “God loves a broken man”. Sometimes, falling away is a step towards brokenness, isn’t it?

Of course, sometimes it’s just false claims of belief.

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